So in efforts to combat the amount of emails I need to sort through on a daily basis, I’ve complied this “My Photography Gear” post for your curious minds! Whilst this is okay when doing long intervals (1+ minute), when doing a short sprint interval it can be irritating. TrainerRoad. Instead, what matters is actually a harder metric to make clear – which is the ability to simulate high grades and lower speeds (especially if you’re a heavier cyclist). Using this the speed calculation seems to be more accurate and it’s possible to use Zwift again! And the same is true for even just regular Zwift riding or most events. All it does is stop sweat for getting places it shouldn't (it also helps with vibrations too). Lasko High Velocity Pro-Performance Fan (U15617). The original Drivo 1 is also at £589 so all very close. This means it can match up to an external power meter to provide more finite control of the trainer. $699.99. Many readers stumble into my website in search of information on the latest and greatest sports tech products. I guess I’ll have to plump for a Tacx Flux S, which IS available. ELITE: Add to Basket. The only issue I still see is the speed in the MET app is always too high (I have calibrated) and a sent a mail to customer service but not heard back yet. (Note: All of the charts in these accuracy portions were created using the DCR Analyzer tool. Thank you. It’s very nosey though especially under high load due to wheel on type trainer. The two outer legs fold into the center of the trainer, making it a bit easier to store/move. In that case, the company claims up to 1,150w of resistance at 40KPH. Think my written reviews are deep? ELITE: Hi Stener, as advised to Craig, make sure the difficulty level isn’t set at 0%. While I can still train a heck of a lot with what I have. Quick question – I’m used to wheel-on trainers. Elite’s Suito Smart Trainer has good specs, a great ride feel, a cassette included and a very sensible price. Others take a few weeks to mature. Zwift setup is easy, it responds to changes in gradient and has sufficient power output to make you work. I hope this solution will be helpful for anyone experiencing the same problem . The first time I tried in TR it started setting weird power levels immediately afterwards but seemed to reset when I closed the app. It doesn’t go as thin though as the Suito, but still, at least it folds (unlike the Tacx Flux series). You should check out my videos. Finally, let’s look at a regular Zwift ride, this one in SIM mode through Titans Grove, which has become my 2019 trainer testing grounds. We’ll talk more about accuracy later on in the accuracy section. I can get a Taxc Flux S at 10 different places. I've got three of these $12 fans floating around the DCR Cave, and I frequently use them on rides. But you’ll see plenty of photos of that throughout this post (plus the ones already above), so let’s get right into setup. Peter. In general, you should calibrate every once in a while (perhaps every few weeks), or anytime you’ve moved the trainer some distance (like to a new home/etc…). In the case of Zwift, I used it in regular riding mode (non-workout mode, aka SIM mode) as well as ERG mode (workout mode). No problem, here's the platform I use - you can too! It seems the Wahoo Elemnt is somehow sending an FEC signal and messing up all the Zumo internals after changing the wheel circumference in the Wahoo app. Not sure if I peaked to soon as the Kickr core reconditioned is now 540€ but hey I’m sure I got a good trainer for a pretty good price that I will really enjoy! First is with 3-second smoothing enabled. Here’s the levels being sent (the blue blocks)) by TrainerRoad (in this case via Bluetooth Smart on iPad) and how quickly the Zumo responded to it: As we discussed earlier on in the overall basics section, the Zumo takes about 4 seconds to respond to these shifts, which I think is OK for this price point (I’d consider it slightly slow for higher price points). So I don’t use it. I’ve measured my FTP in the past with multiple power meters and the Stages is more likely under-estimating my power (as a 62kg A grade road racer who regularly competes in TT’s), which makes this even more frustrating! For £60 more than the price of the Elite Zumo, I can buy the Elite drivo direct drive; both from Halfords & both with the same warranty. it’s rather easy. Due to the expected “lockdown” I took it back and replaced it. It would have got 5 stars as the only criticism I have is the lack of clear calibration instructions, Good smart trainer from Yesitsme07 September 9, 2020 Easy setup Portable/storable Quiet Budget-friendly, Not ideal for Zwift from Dixy SA1 September 8, 2020 Works fine on other platforms but not Zwift Sorry to disappoint. And while that might not sound like a lot of money, it actually is from a production/margin standpoint. But most of this all boils down to two core methods: ERG Mode: Setting a specific power level – i.e., 235w. Thankfully, that’s not the case here. Been using it with FulGaz for the past 2 weeks (trial!) Some trainers arrive on the scene happy as a clam (though virtually none in 2019). Hoping it turns up in the next few days, but otherwise I’m going to have to pull the trigger on a competitor’s product that I know is in stock. I heard back from Elite’s technical suport yesterday and they are trying to resolve the issues but no luck yet. I’m from out of the country and will be visiting the US, what’s the best triathlon shop in city XYZ? It’s as simple as that. Go about 5:30 into the video link to youtube.com, I don’t want to buy one and then find is hardware revision 1 or 2, ELITE: We shipped out a handful back in June 2018 to only one client (Performance in the USA) then reassumed shipments July 2019 which are the same units DCRay and Shane received, tested and reviewed. link to support.wahoofitness.com Thank you. The second mode the trainer has is ERG mode. Erg mode works fine, power numbers are as expected (for the resistance) and using the Elite App it performs all their functions fine. Reviews are obviously a key part of the buying process when buying any cycle gear, and that goes for Turbo Trainers too. The freewheeling stops but the speed still registers, although dropping, for a while too. Ray, are you able to confirm what you tested with? This means you can pair the trainer and get power/cadence/control, while also pairing up a heart rate strap. Thanks for all the feedback guys, missed the Snap black Friday deal whilst messing around asking for opinions so looks like its the zumo for me! DC Rainmaker 2019 swim, bike, run, and general gear list. £479.49. But it mostly was in the ballpark for the actual set-point. The KURA is a smart trainer from Elite that is smart in its own way. I’m experiencing the exact same issue and initially thought it was because of my medium cage. Sure enough, it’s new. 11-speed, 10-speed, 9-speed, etc...). And finally, here’s a handy list of accessories that most folks getting a trainer for the first time might not have already: Your email address will not be published. Like I always say – for me personally, it’s hard to separate the fact that I’m riding indoors from outdoors. Very soon. If its already on the slow side then I dont want to make it worse. However, if I remove the smoothing you’ll see that it actually wasn’t as delayed as you might think. Has anyone else had this problem, and is there an easy fix? You’ll see either a calibration prompt in the app (like TrainerRoad), or a small wrench or such in the settings (like Zwift). How easy is it to swap between QR and thru-axles on this? Hi hexagram87, we want to fix this. In fact, that’s why it’s harder to find the Zumo than most other Elite trainers. You can see these same undercuts a bit later on as well: Though, on the bright side cadence was near perfect. Power stays at 0 for the right leg, and since it detects cadence isn’t 0 it resumes the workout, and for the left leg resistance goes through the roof and you end up with twice the normal wattage, resulting in a sawtooth pattern. Don't overthink this. It calibrated in the Elite and Rouvy apps but not Zwift. I did it then because initially things looked fine, but as I got to around the 20ish minute mark I noticed the Zumo was a bit out of alignment. Here's the thing, some people like front wheel blocks, some don't. Elite Suito-T Direct Drive Turbo Trainer. Easy setup Well-built Quiet Budget-friendly. In the case of simulation (aka slope) mode, the Zumo can simulate from 0% to 12% incline – which is above the competitors in this price point. Between all these standards you can basically connect to anything and everything you’d ever want to. One from last year that they kept tinkering with on new firmware, and then a brand new unit from about a month ago – so I could ensure that whatever is going out these days matches what the review is. Would greatly appreciate some wisdom. Does the cage catch on the leg like the original Tacx Flux? I think it’s better than anything else cheaper than it though, and at a $699 price point some sacrifices had to be made. A 10% grade feels like a 5% grade. could volume go into the trainer comparison tool please . Elite’s support apps are a bit confusing, because they use their main app (myETraining) for calibration, and a second app for firmware updates. Anyone else had a similar issue and got to a fix? Grazie. December 10, 2019 by DC Rainmaker | Elite » Sports Technology News and Reviews » Trainers | Comments (272) It’s been about five months since the Elite Suito was first announced back in July. ELITE: Hi Craig, what’s the Difficulty Level at? Seems to be a communication bug between zwift and trainer. While obviously it’s available via our myetraining app which then is saved in the trainer and valid for third party software apps. On the flip side, the Suito (still) seems to be working its way through some occasional manufacturing issues. And even better that the Zumo was one of the first units to get included. Elite Novo Smart from Hugh Hass November 17, 2020 . I dig into the nuances of these both within the power accuracy section. So I decided to rectify that. Although this was a while ago and software may have been updated but was my reason to upgrade to direct drive. Ok, with that diversion noted, simply plug it in, and you’re good to go. Once this is published I’ll be getting both of them wrapped up and sent back to them – freeing up a few cubic meters in the cave for other things (like ~800 bottles of beer for the Open House next weekend). Every time I try to calibrate I get ‘calbration timed out’ and ‘failed’ in red letters. Reminds me a lot of the Saris H3 box. Dear Dave, Can you confirm then that the turbo supports long cages? ELITE: calibration available via the Elite myetraining app. But it is recommended to do periodical calibrations in case you shouldn’t use your seperate power meter anymore so you keep the trainer “tuned”. ELITE: Yes, it’s the PML feature (POWER METER LINK). Purchased the Elite Zumo a month ago for £380. One of these days I’ll put my other extra Quarq back on this backup bike. Cadence is going to be acceptable for the vast majority of people, though, if you’re doing a lot of cadence work/drills, you might want to pick up a dedicated cadence sensor. Your bike is safe Discover it Accessories Maintenance Ozone Elite … It’s really annoying and while it’s a budget direct drive trainer it shouldn’t make that noise! For the purposes of below, I’ve slated it up against the Elite Suito, Wahoo KICKR CORE, and Tacx Flux S. Or basically, the least expensive direct drive options for each of the brands. I’ll add in a quick video. I just wanted to make sure people know you can’t return it to CT if there is an issue is all. I’ve just set up my Zumo. $549.99. Although, realistically, you don’t care about that. Elite Qubo Power Mag Smart B+ Indoor Trainer . While this might be a fair statement, i know i don’t have all the tools needed for maintenance because i like to take it to LBS. If that’s the case (but certainly not saying my choices aren’t good for women), and you just want to see a different gear junkies “picks”, check out The Girl’s 2018 Gear Guide too. $1,499.99. As noted though, taking on/off a bike means you’ll undoubtedly manage to get grease on your finger(s) more often that is logical. First, you’ll need to attach the three legs. Totally interactive home trainers that replicate rugged terrain or training power levels, using ANT+ and Bluetooth Smart protocols to communicate via Elite or third party app/software (Zwift, TrainerRoad, etc. I own a Cube Hybrid MTB (2017 model) and the setup was straight forward. Like I said above, I think this actually makes sense. Apologies you’ve had an issue with one of our trainers but both the Todson and Elite teams will follow your issue quickly and effectively. Peter. I’m in the Netherlands but can ask a mate to buy from Halfords UK side if need be. So if the ones you have follow these dimension then ok otherwise I’m afraid you’ll need to purchase one. Setting up As a result I’ve started using the Stages as my power source for Zwift and I haven’t been using ERG mode at all. For me, in my testing, I used Zwift and TrainerRoad as my two main apps (which are the two main apps I use personally). I bought them for my Fulcrum Racing Zero wheels and they are just sitting around. Peter. Next though is the question is whether the power itself accurate? Even if you don't have a 4K TV, the 4K version has more powerful graphics than the base, worth the extra $30. I put this improvement down to attempting a spin down calibration; unfortunately I was not able to ride for 10 minutes+ prior to performing that calibration because I cannot sustain 400w for 10 minutes. But it’s pretty close for a not-high-end trainer. Check out the Elite Upgrado app to ensure you’re all good to go! Each of the Elite Drivo , the Tacx Neo and Wahoo KICKR , can probably lay claim to that title in … They came back and said it must be a problem with Elite and its firmware. I’ve added the Elite Zumo into the product comparison database, where you can compare it to any trainer that I’ve reviewed or have in the DCR Cave. Elite Direto Smart Turbo Trainer is rated 4.5 out of 5 by 12. Oh, and you can sign-up for the newsletter here! I will admit that like every other interactive trainer, demand is high so you’ll need to keep a close eye on Halford’s site to see when they are in stock. Now, we’ll get to app compatibility in a moment, but first let’s start with the road feel. I’ve sorted it all by world geography, in an attempt to make it easy to figure out where I’ve been. ELITE: I’d like to measure/compare my training efforts but not I’m worried about total accuracy. Couldn’t get enough resistance using computer with ANT+. Or, at least considerably by my usual testing standards. For $8, this solves that problem. It’s going to measure how long it takes to coast to a stop. I was lucky enough to snap this trainer up during the start of the COVID-19 crisis in UK, when indoor gym equipment, and Smart Turbo Trainers in particular, were scarce. Thanks for the information and for responding so quickly . I’ve always been guilty of doing my turbo work at low cadences (75 to 80 avg usually) but from what I’ve read I know this is risky on a smart trainer so today’s session averaged at 90rpm. I’ve got this issue too. It is a little pricey, but then again any Campy-related is going to be pricey. I think I even took all the photos already too. Smart Trainers Buyers Guide: Looking at a smart trainer this winter? Cadence and power are accurate. Although this was a while ago and software may have been updated but was my reason to upgrade to direct drive. The Elite Zumo is one of the cheapest interactive smart trainers on the market and performs well above its price tag. ELITE: Why would anyone drop $699 + cassette for a trainer less capable than one from the same manufacturer that performs better at $799 – with the cassette? Wheel on trainers tend to be noisier than direct drive machines and can suffer from wheel slip during large accelerations (which can be annoying). Elite Suito Smart Trainer In-Depth Review. Hey Mark, how did it end up? My understanding is that with the lowest level of resistance I should be able to spin freely (in my lowest gear). As usual, I put the trainer up against a number of power meters to see how well it handled everything from resistance control accuracy, to speed of change, to any other weird quirks along the way. Elite have two new interactive trainers for 2020, a direct drive and a 'wheel on' trainer. Elite Direto Smart Trainer Review | Zwift Gear Test In the pantheon on smart trainers, there have been thousands of words and discussions about which is “the best” smart trainer. But let’s zoom in on a few random sections. Have you experienced any issues within zwift when you stop pedaling with power and cadence taking a long time to zero out? Here you can see the Zumo is slightly delayed compared to the Quarq & PowerTap P2 pedals – and also quite a bit lower (in green). I can only barely (maybe) break 1,000w for a second or two, and even most front of the non-pro pack cyclists aren’t going to top 1,800w. Good entry level trainer So our training wheels use different axles. That’s already happening. I was wondering the same. I seem to remember that in last year’s trainer recommendations, the trainer would allow you to use the Zumo for speed/cadence, but you could use a third party powermeter (say, a crank-based unit) for the power. Not all retailers are willing to carry it, due to the slightly different margins needed in order to achieve the $699 price point. Anyway, thanks for that review, I’m still on the fence when it comes to direct drive smart trainers, it would allow me to do force drills on them, which is the single thing that causes tire slippage for me, and I would have to be able to sell my wheel-on trainer second hand, which I’m not sure is quite easy. B) Ensure you’re using the small ring up front: This is for ERG mode specifically, shift into the small ring to get better control. Can you please ask Andrea with customer service to also contact me regarding the fix to this issue? Those that bought the first units from Perofmance are clearly taken care of if they have any issues even if Performance has bankrupted in the meantime (contact: email@example.com) . Last but not least, we wish to make clear Zumo is a current model offered to selected partners around the world. You’ll want to pair it up as a controllable trainer (which will also pair it as a power meter): You’ll see the trainer enumerated in a fairly similar manner on TrainerRoad as well: Also, TrainerRoad’s tips page on using smart trainers in ERG mode: I’d *strongly* recommend you either read that page, or just simply do two things: A) Calibrate the Zumo: I found it did make a significant difference to do the roll-down, it only takes a few seconds Is this the ‘protection’ for the Suito? Peter. If you’ve already done this and I’ve just missed it – apologies! Grazie. Elite Drivo smart trainer review. TECHNICAL. It’s the least expensive direct drive trainer on the market, and it happily works with any app you can throw at it on both ANT+ & Bluetooth Smart. Zwift setup is easy, it responds to changes in gradient and has sufficient power output to make you work. This data set is against a Quarq DZero and a PowerTap P2 pedal set: Sure, at a high level it looks fairly close. Not sure, not gonna try it. Contact firstname.lastname@example.org if you have any questions regarding your set-up. Both Figures show that past 300 W there are large discrepancies between the Favero and the Zumo, above the 3% accuracy quoted on Elite’s website. link to groups.google.com High-tech, heavyweight turbo bursting with info Our rating . Easy to use and Elites customer support is great. However, cadence needs some work. The description needs to be updated, it’s the same one as on the Elite site.Tks, Peter. I've had this for years, and use it in places where I don't have a big screen or desk, but just an iPad or tablet on my road bike bars. Meaning, the trainer itself wasn’t having cadence tracking issues on this ride (which is surprising given how complex the flywheel aspects of the rollers are). On the side of the trainer are the status lights. It’s very nosey though especially under high load due to wheel on type trainer. It’s still a trainer, and I’m still looking at a wall in front of me. What’s notable here is I wanted to show the shift that occurs with doing a calibration mid-ride. So instead, let’s wrap up on one last thing – which is the folding legs. I’ve realised my problem must be chain length in lower gears, so removing a link should pull the longer derailleur away from the casing and sort things out. Grazie. Elite Novo from Stu September 8, 2020 Basic wheel on turbo trainer. Really takes indoor training up a level. Zwift Course Calendar – Current Guest World Sched... Zwift To Release Important Performance Bug Patch, How to Race on Zwift (Setup, Strategy, and More), Shop for a trainer using our Smart Trainer Index, Axle Compatibility: 130/135mm quick release. But that’s another problem for another day. Didn’t seem to happen when I did a couple of rides on RGT so could just be crap Windows10 software for Fulgaz, it does crash a lot in the menus. Said differently: Peak numbers don’t matter. It shouldn’t be higher than the Quarq, but given the +/-3 %, if we look at 3% on 400w, we’re basically talking a +/- 12w variance (in addition to variance of the Quarq too). What you see here is that it tracks rather nicely with the Vector 3, though the Stages R is a bit off, likely for two reasons. But then you’re asking someone who took a fair few minutes longer to fit the legs than suggested in your review! Who is the worst offender? Unfortunately, unlike a watch, the cost to ship a trainer is high (both financially, and of course size wise so the CO2 impact is larger). link to halfords.com. I will take a look at that. Easy to use and Elites customer support is great. I am always up for saving a few liras…oops we don’t use liras anymore. I’m using a Zumo with a separate power meter and wondering about calibration. I’d built the trainer incorrectly and it turns out I was using a mixture if quick release and through axle components. We are now back in action since last week and shipping out trainers and yes the Zumo will be available in some countries in Europe. A part of Halfords’ exclusive Elite turbo trainer range, the Elite Novo Smart Turbo Trainer makes indoor training easy. My bike is a quick release equipped 2020 Trek Emonda SL5. Thank you. Disappointed with this FTP, I re-attempted the following day and also recorded the activity on my Garmin. I typically buy Shimano Ultegra cassettes for my trainers (mostly for sound-testing consistency across videos), but I’ve also done a few SRAM ones and whatever else happens to be on sale from the bike shop. ELITE: We were forced to stop production for some weeks due to the lockdown in Italy. Rest assure we will take care of you. ANT+ Speed/Cadence Profile: This broadcasts your speed and cadence as a standard ANT+ Speed/Cadence combo sensor Thank you. And technically, there are two apps here. Once that’s done, it’s time to attach the cassette. All that prefacing done, I’d say this is….ok. After the cassette is installed, go ahead and plop in the little skewer/axle adapters on both sides, and then stick on your quick release skewer (if not a thru-axle bike). In fact, Elite’s really been one of the leaders in supporting the various standards – including FTMS. Then hit up Wiggle at the link below! In fact, two different units. Peter. Thanks. Unlike the Suito trainer, this one doesn’t come with one, so you’ll need to get your own. Your comment got me curious – as I’ve never heard of this policy before. One core test I do with all trainers though is responsiveness: How quickly does it respond to ERG mode changes? It’s a nice break from the day to day sports-tech talk, and I hope you get something out of it! First is how quickly it responds to the commands of the application. Additionally, you should calibrate if you’ve had a major temp swing (such as if it lives in your garage and now the sweat puddle on the floor is frozen). Accuracy-wise, they’re probably a wash. If you do not already own a power meter, and have no intentions on buying one, I would advise going for a more accurate turbo trainer. At first as I was a bit annoyed, but now that I circled with CT and got some details. Also, it’s more powerful. Does anyone else have any problem with temporary drop outs in connectivity with this trainer? Ray, is there likely to be a full review on the Suito soon or are production issues still plaguing it. Now given the Zumo is a smart trainer, it’ll change resistance automatically in a few different ways, primarily driven by different applications/methods. Travel Block. In the UK/EU/Australia/New Zealand? Thanks Richard, I am pretty aware of the differences between the actual types of these two trainers i guess i am more wondering which trainer is going to be the more realistic and enjoyable and that i won’t be looking to upgrade in 12 months. So TR is getting lower readings than the Bolt, surprising isn’t it ? However, once it got to the next portion of the workout where a new interval was specified, then life was fine. If you don’t mind the noise and don’t have a big sprint then the downsides of a wheel on trainer are not so significant. i guess it is the direct drive equivalent of putting old tyres on your turbo wheel and upgrading the outside wheel! This is a Ultegra cassette, you can save about $10-$15 by picking up a Shimano 105 instead. Both trainer types work quite well and which ever you choose I’m sure you’ll enjoy the whole sensation of trainer control is a real game changer from doing the “just riding along” aspects of zwift to a hard training session in ERG mode even the cheapest smart trainer is much better than the old dumb (or classic) trainers. Hope this helps (and thanks for the support via CT!). The new RAMPA is a WHEEL-ON trainer while the popular DRIVO and KURA are WHEEL-OFF / DIRECT TRNSMISSION trainers – see pictures below. Also note, I use a riser block with *every* trainer. I have used it with Zwift and RGT and all works well in FEC mode. You can use it as well for your own gadget comparisons, more details here.). Again – it’s *not bad*, it’s just not fantastic. Ant+ or BT and apple? This site contains affiliate links to Amazon, Wahoo, and other brands. The RAMPA is one of Elite’s latest wheel-on smart electronic home trainer that uses a double communication protocol (ANT+ FE-C and Bluetooth Smart) to easily connect with iOS or Android smartphones and tablets and compatible with a variety of indoor cycling training applications such as Zwift and TrainerRoad. In Zwift you get variability by having the road incline change and by being able to instantly sprint. Zwift, TrainerRoad, Rouvy, Sufferfest, Kinomap, you name it – it’s happy to Tinder with it. 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